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I would like to thank Coloradofree for his involvement. He's helping us in making our Navboxes work.

So as to the current Navbox template that we have here, I think it is very simple, and imo, that's what we need, simple. Very few of us know programming and hence for the moment, I think it would be better to have simple things that we can understand, rather than complex templates. What we currently have is this.

The Old Guard of TES Mod Wiki
Knights of The Old Guard	Lord DarthOrc • Sir Vami IV • Lord Wolfishtail • Lady YaellNovella • Sir Zippertrain85
New Members	Sir Aditya Soni • Sir Radogamer

Go here to edit the above Navbox.

Check its code here

This seems simple. What is wrong:

1. color and format should match with wikia's format.
2. second row should not show up if there is no value for it.

We fix that and we'll have ourselves a usable navbox....I guess. Then it can improved over time, but that comes later.

I'm at work right now. I'll look at this when I get home in a few hours seems simple enough. The first link should be part of a /doc file to the template for site users to see how to use it. Just my 2 cents.

Update: I was playing aorund with the template and have come up with some stuff. First a basic use of the template I created can be found here:

http://linux.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Navbox2

There seems to be an issue with the state command so the collapse doesn't work and the image tag as well. I found some information on this particular style of navbox in two places.

http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Navbox

This one is MediaWiki which is the engine that Wikia is using. They refer to it as well.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Navbox

Maybe someone can see why the two options aren't working, I noticed something in the Media Wiki documentation about the image tag but didn't quite get it.

I think I'm tired so thinking is getting hard. Good night

I fixed the second row by deleting the code for that. If it be needed for something in the future, it can get coded back in. I myself am at my wit's end on this because it appears that Wikipedia and Wikia.com have either a difference in code or a difference in the usage of that code (html or wikitext).

Here's a link to the navbox templates I've made on Wikipedia

Vami you are right,  I read a forum on Community Central that was about that very subject. Although WIkia and Wikiped both use WikiMedia there seems to be a discrepancy in coding between the two as far as Navbox goes.

OMG you are truly the master of the Navbox!!!! We are not worthy, (i mean that in all sincerity)

So Vami, am I right to assume that the way to get the image to work is to include the tag in the base code ie CSS or Java etc.

I'm a bit knew to wikitext and a bit more than a novice with CSS, but have worked with HTML and PHP for quite a few years, script is like a puzzle to me, i love solving puzzles.

BTW I had a friend from Stuttgart, he passed away many years ago.

There is no difference in code at all, you are likely doing it wrong or not copying the associated templates over properly.

The Navbox template which the Wikipedia uses has other templates too which it calls. Until all those templates are not copied to this wiki, Navbox won't work. Am I right Super..?

So, instead of coping bunch of templates, I think we should take a Navbox template from the community wikia, which is simple enough for us to work with and also satisfies the task Vami has in his mind.

IMO.. IMO everywhere...

Yes, correct. This is why I am against copying things from Wikipedia, you usually have to copy hundreds of other templates just to make it work, which is pointless. Just make your own navbox using wikitables instead of trying to copy other templates ;)

Thanks for the constructive crit, I bow out gracefully and move on to the work and leave the decisions to those who know better.

Okay so now we have them. A simple usable Navbox. Thanks Super.